Split post- Music Progress Possible...

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:13 pm

Ok, the reason it says split post is simply 'cause I'm not sure which forum to post this in. But it can be divided into two different posts, which seems like a great solution to me. Very Happy

So, I think I'm gonna' begin my search to find musicians near me, to try to form my first project. -Not immediately though. I'll probably wait two months, then if I can get a P.A. soon after that, I may already have some other artists ready to begin "the great chase" (of some kinda' success). See, I'm bound and determined to move forward with this passion, and on top of that, I'm ready to push as hard as I can, all the way (not the musicians).

I've got so many ideas that I'm dying to work on, to make them reality. I, as every musician, want to find a sound in the music that nobody else has. My idea for this is quite odd, but the envisioned music I hear in my mind, if correctly acheived, would be beautiful and intense. The basic idea, without too much depth in a description of it, is two bassists w/two different sounds- one either finger-bass, or pick-bass, and the other to use distortion, and then the odd part, is I think I could incorporate a pianist. The rest is the usual (drummer + guitarist.) What I'm hoping to find, and I know it will be tough, is a sound that can go from soft, to heavy, to jazzy, in a moment's notice, and sometimes switching all at once. Hmm... So much for not going in depth... Rolling Eyes

Anyway, the other idea is just for the name of the project that I came up with. I researched, and I'm pretty sure I correctly created a new term, to be used for this. It's Mono-Delicium. The meaning of it, is one single flavor, appealing to many, and unlike any other known to exist. I'm not completely sure I did this correctly, but I'll find out sooner or later. Feel free to tell me, if you know for sure. Smile

I hope all this weird shit makes sense, and I hope this all works out. I'm seriously in need of getting this in motion. Take care, everyone. Later!

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:57 pm

two basses = impossible

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:15 am

I'm curious as to how it's not possible? I'm not claiming that you're wrong, but I see it as maybe being possible if they have completely different sounds. However, I know that you may know a logical reason why it wouldn't be possible. Please let me know, man. For now, I only know about the singing aspects of creating music. Smile

Later!

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:05 am

well, there isnt enough room available in our hearing range that can contain two different basses. even though pick, slap, finger, etc. basses may sound like different things to you, there basically the same shit with a key frequency in 10 - 200 hz. thats why we always recognize them to be a bass even though playing styles, bass guitar types, amplifiers etc. can change

of course, you can layer two bass signals with proper methods to get a more rich bass sound (i dont think its common in non-electronic music though) but you cant just go ahead and play two basses freely or you'll get a lot of clashing freq's and phase cancellation which will end up in a muddy mix. if you still want to play two different basses at the same time, you can eq the shit outta one but then again it wont sound like a bass (since you've cut out the low end) but another instrument

lemme know if this answers your question, couldnt explain it well in english

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:36 pm

Yeah. I got the general idea. Smile

Thanks for explaining.

I'm curious, though, as to what layering those two signals, as you mentioned, would sound like in a rock band, though I'm not familiar with layering yet (obviously. Laughing

) The reason I say this is because you said it might not be common outside of electronica, but I'm wondering if that could fulfill the sound I'm looking for. You know how it is, man...; every musician seems to want the uncommon sound, and I'm no different. Maybe this could be the way. Do you think that would provide a unique sound? Thanks again, for the explanation. It made complete sense to me. Wink

But I do have a question about something relative to this... Would it make any difference that what I'm thinking of is those two bassists never playing at the same time, and also playing different bass-lines? The one bassist (using a pick or their finger) would only be playing during the piano parts which would be accompanied by the electric guitar and the drums, and the other would play the heavier parts, accompanied by the guitarist as well. During the verses for certain songs, all of those sounds would be combined, but the two bassists still wouldn't be playing at the same moments. Then, my ideas for the sound during the Chorus would be consisted of the guitarist, along with the same bassist who had played the heavier parts in the verses, and lastly, the drummer. The piano might also be incorporated into the bridge to some songs, but I'm not sure. It's just a big idea right now, and it's quite hard to explain. Eventually, if it can in fact be done, I'll have some recordings to put up on the UBW, and there'll be no need for me to try to explain it again.

If I made somewhat good sense with what I just typed, let me know whether or not that would make a difference. It seems to me that if only one of the two bassists is playing at certain times, then only that bassist's frequency would be heard. Also, I just wondered if it matters that one bassist would have the usual bass sound, and the other would have the heavy distortion effect, usually associated with hard/rock and metal...

That's enough of that right now. -And if I'm frustrating you by accident, dude, just let me know, and I'll shut up. I know that I can be pretty complicated sometimes, when I'm trying to communicate some things. Embarassed

-Hope ya' understand. Later!

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:57 pm

james brown plays with 2 bassists. they play at the same time. it works. but you have to be good.

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:24 pm

layering is a method that can be used to get solid basslines. most of the times, 2 or 3 synthesizers are used, sub bass signal comes from one synth, and higher frequency ranges from different synths depending on what your after. careful eq'ing is the key, rest of the processing varies but always should include some compression

so can you use this method in rock music? perhaps, although i am not sure if it will do any good. in dance music, low end is your most important and dominant element, so a lot of work goes into it. on the other hand, in rock music, bass is there to compliment the rest of the instruments and keep the tune in one piece. some rock music listeners dont even know what bass is. so in my opinion, a normal bass guitar will definitely do the work instead of huge synthesizer sounds or layered basses. you still can enhance your bass during the post-production stages although it obviously wont be a new style or new sound

concerning using different basses at different parts, that may work but cant say anything before hearing it. as a final note, dont forget that rock music is about vocals and guitars more than bass or beats, so i personally think you cant go crazy with basses in rock music. my 2 cents

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:25 pm

Thanks for the information, man. It's much appreciated. Later!

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:33 pm

googled a little about that, here's some info i gathered

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:33 pm

for sure man, no probs

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:19 pm

i saw the james brown bassists do it in hyde park supporting chilis. very cool. like the article said, they don't play the same things. what would be the point? but whether you see the point or not, it is still impressive to behold!

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:55 pm

some recording engineers split the bass signal and record on seperate tracks - on a clean signale and another "effected" signal. They then blend the two on playback after lining up the phase properly.

The tune Rise above on my artist page has two bass parts recorded - one hard left and one hard right - at the end (not sure about the whole song, but maybe in much of the song - it's been a long time since I recorded it an am not sure). I think it worked ok there, but it's definitely hard to mix that much low freq sound.

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:40 pm

Thanks for all the input, everyone. Very Happy

One thing about somethin' you said, unproject... You talked about music being more than just bass guitaring; I'm completely in agreement with that concept. For years, I've loved that about music. -The way every part of the instrumental sound, combined with the style of the lead singer's vocals... They all just compliment each other, if the band has any kind of talent. I myself, am a vocalist, but I'm one of those people who want to form a project, and use some of my ideas, but do more open-minded suggesting. The one thing I don't want to do, is form a band, only to have it fall apart, because I act like a fascist dictator, instead of an equal member in the group. I'm ready to end this reply, 'cause I don't really feel too much like tryin' to make good sense right now. I'm still in a period of sleep deprivation, and I'm just not wanting to type a lot right now... I may anyway, but not in here. So, later, all!

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