The Truth Behind "The War On Terror"

ubw newbie Joined: May 14, 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 23

Hello.

If you clicked on this post, it must mean that you are at least curious to what is really happening in the world today. Too many people are walking around on zombie-autopilot these days, failing to see the real threat emerging from the White House and the U.S. agencies.

I know many people are having troubles believing that the White House and U.S. agencies were behind the 9/11 attack (and much more) and that America is currently being turned into a police state. The truth is so awfull that one can hardly believe it.

But if you do not believe that an American Government would perform acts of terror against their own population to promote a certain ideology, you are so very very wrong.

Start by reading this document:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

"Operation Northwoods" is a declassified document from the 60's, signed by the head of F.B.I. at that time. It contains detalied plans for how to persuade the american public into going to war against Cuba. One of the suggestions is "blowing up and american commercial plane and blame it on the communists"......sounds disturbingly familiar, doesn't it, when you think about what really happened on 9/11?
By the way, this document is real, the autencity of it has never been denied. This is a FACT!

So by now you should know that yes, an american government could be willing to terrorize its own population to wage war.

And with that in mind, it get's very interesting when you think of how they used 9/11 to attack Iraq, who had nothing to do with the incident at all. They were not harboring terrorists, they did not have weapons of mass destruction......and there is currently being used a bare minimum of money into rebuiliding the country. So you see, all the pretext for war were nothing but lies! And to all the people from Britain out there: DO NOT FORGET THAT TONY BLAIR WAS IN ON THIS, DO NOT LET THE "TERRORIST ATTACK" MISGUIDE YOU INTO FORGETTING THAT YOUR OWN PRIME-MINISTAR LIED TO YOU, AND THAT HE IS IN FACT THE ONE THAT BENEFITS FROM THESE RECENT ACTS OF TERROR. ASK YOURSELVES WHO HAS A MOTIVE FOR CARRYING THIS OUT. PEACE-LOVING SECOND-GENERATION PAKISTANIES? I DON't THINK SO!

And need i remind anyone that Iraq has the second biggest oil-.reserves in the world? Oh, and one more thing. Did you know that already under Bill Clinton, a deal was made with the Taliban to build an oil pipe-line through Afghanistan out into the Caspian Sea.....pumping out the oil of Iraq......but there was just one problem, they needed to take Iraq......well, what a conisidence that 11/9 came along!

Open up your eyes, people. This is not a war about religion, it is not about freedom and democracy, it is not against terrorism....THIS IS ABOUT RESOURCES, DO NOT BUY THEIR LIES. WE HAVE ENOUGH IMPLICATIONS THROUGH THE MEDIA TO KNOW THAT IT WAS ALL A BIG LIE.

This is pure IMPERIALISM, terror is the mean by which they get you to beg for safety. This is what they use to take away your liberties. It is not the terrorist that want our freedom, IT IS OUR OWN GOVERNMENTS!

Lets just list all the recent terrorist-attacks that The White House had an active part of planning and carrying out:

- the first attack on the World Trade Center (F.B.I. agents were caught on tape PAYING muslim fundamentalists to carry it out...THIS IS A FACT, PEOPLE, it has been in the regular news....it just mysteriousy disappeared)

- the Oklahoma bominb (the evidence is just overwhelming...I mean, there is video-clip of McVeigh in the car WITH A MIDDLE-EASTERN GUY.....WHY DID NOBODY EVER MENTION HIM....and what about the two other bombs besides the one in the car?)

- 9/11

- Madrid - bombing.

If you are at least curious as to what I'm talking about, you should definetely check this information out. This is the only way we can stop a 3rd World War, which has already started. Look at who is making money out of Iraq, for God's sake. Is there really any doubt what is really going on here? Didn't you wonder why sudddenly Irans elected president got accused for terrorism? Don't you to see the pretext for war that is slowly being buiilt up again?
Well, to those of you who don't know, Iran is Chinas best buddy, their number one oil-provider. If the U.S. and the West (now also with Russia on their side) decide to "liberate" Iran, all hell breaks loose!!!

Follow these steps, and get informed. The evidence is overwhelming, just look for yourself. Google main-stream news, you'll find all the info being backed up there.

1) Read the "Operation Northwoods" document. It will open your eyes to what comes.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

2) Watch the BBC-ducumentary "Bush Family Fortunes":
http://www.activeopposition.com/MP3s/bush_family_fortunes.wmv (low quality)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/bushfamilyfortues.ram (low quality)
http://www.freedocumentaries.org/download/Bush%20Family%20Fortunes%20-%20BBC%20Documentary%20by%20Greg%20Palast-avi(1).torrent (high quality)

3) Watch Canadian News-special "The Great Conspiracy" :
http://www.4acloserlook.com/realaudio/111804a-zwicker.ram (part one, stream)
http://www.4acloserlook.com/realaudio/111804b-zwicker.ram (part two, stream)

4) Watch the exellent documentary "Breaking the Silence"
http://www.freedomfiles.org/movies/35_mb_pilger_breaking_the_silence.wmv

5) And if you're getting into it, and want to know the big pictures, sit through this:
http://www.archive.org/download/911theRoadtoTyranny/911theroadtotyranny.wmv

All the evidence is out there, people, and the sooner you realize who the REAL terrorist are, the more damage can be avoided.

You think Islamic Fundamentalists who hate your freedom are the only ones behind the London-bombin? Thing again. Ask yourselves who stands to gain from all this. OUR OWN GOVERNMENTS.

WAKE UP!! See the world and these sick political games for what it really is.

Just wait and see, any population that they want supporting their phony wars are going to experience "terrorist attacks". As we know, the public in Britain were growing tired of the war, so you have to admit that the London terror-bombin was very fortunate for Blair and Bush....and a disaster to the people.

Know your enemy, folks. Don't buy their lies. Remember who the real terrorists are.

Get informed, get involved, tell your family and friends. Information is the mean by which this madness can be stopped.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:14 pm

The truth is... everyone is wrong, and the real truth was lost at the beginning and as we progress we continue to move further from it.

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:26 am

That would be the truth from `Your` point of view would it?

I have seen conspiracy theorists at work.

I have seen many conspiracy theory programmes on TV, most present their ideas without a shred of evidence and are based purely on what people (Usually crackpots) think.

Did you ever hear the one about the British Royal family being shape shifting lizard aliens?

Or the one that says that behind every government agency, there are aliens puling the strings?

Or the one that says aliens gave us the technology to develop the microchip (Why dont the theorists actually ask the people who did develop it, instead of dismissing out right the years of development and hard work that went into it by the real people invoved, instead of adhering to some lunatic theory)

I have seen Farenheit 911 (Again, a lot of heresay but no actual evidence. The only thing the program served to say was that Bush was a lousy company director with unfortunate business ties. I am sure that there are thousands of busniess men out their with ties to the Bin Laden family. That does not mean that they are directly linked to Osama does it?) The film also only served to demonstrate that michael moore just does not like Bush. Boo Hoo to him!

In all of the conspiracy theory sources i have ever seen, the theories are based on purely the opinions of someone who believes they know, often without a shred of evidence.

Were you in London last week?

Did you actually see Bush ordering the attacks on 9/11

Some of these so called theories rely on not only a select few in a goverment but hundreds and possible thousands of people being in the know. They could never keep all of those people silent. And governments do change every few years.

No one knows what happened, and no ammount of muckraking will ever bring any of those people back.

Christ, I watched a program about conspiracy theories last night that had some guy on who claimed to be the target of microwave radiation attacks by the CIA. The guy was a nobody from downtown newyork. Bollocks.

Bye Bye for now!

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:13 am

i see tony blairs been letting bombs off in london again Rolling Eyes

ubw newbie Joined: May 14, 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 23

Just thought I'd comment some more, since there is obviously some serious confusion around here. I also see that some of the links that I provided were not working very well.

First thing first. Did the people who replied here even bother to read "Operation Northwoods"?
I strongly recomend you doing so, cause it will open your eyes and help you make a very important distinction between "true terror" and "synthetic terror". Or in other words, it will help you realize the existance of "synthetic terror" carried out by our leaders.

Over to September 11:

The implications that the so-called "neo-cons" within the US White House and agencies were involved in the attack are overwhelming.
If you take some time and compare obvious facts with the 9/11 Commision Report, there can AT LEAST be no doubt that people within the White House have been covering up the truth.

When someone covers up the truth, shouldn't one wonder if this "someone" then also was involved in the crime?

Let's look at one of the lies fromf the 9/11Comission:

The 9/11 comission claims that biulding 7 collapsed from "heavy fire" caused by debris from the North Tower. Building 7, as you may already know, was NOT hit by any plane.

Here is a statement by owner Larry Silverstein (who took out an astronomic amount of insurance-money on the World Trade Center complex), where he clearly states that they decided to "pull it".

http://www.infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV
You don't need to be Einstein to know the meaning of that expression.

Here is a video clip of the actuall demolition, and it should be obvious to anyone that this is a controlled demolition, as the building implodes.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/7/7down.wmv

To do this you need to first blow up the inside of the building, then blow up the points that hold the weight in an orderly fashion. In other words, this demans planning, you can't do this in 8 hours WHILE a building is on fire. So you see, this was planned, so now it's time for you people to wake the hell up, and use your brains for what you're supposed to, thinking! And if you happen to be a thinker, don't just sit on your ass and accept their lies.

This is just one obvious lie out of many concerning 9/11 and the "War on Terror".
I gotta run now, but I'll be back with further evidence. In the meanwhile I suggest you take a good look at what has been presented to you here, and really think about who stands to gain from all this. Another good advice is to "follow the money", like Deep Throat once saied when they busted Nixon.

Wake up, and try to look a few steps further behind what the media tells you.

ubw newbie Joined: May 14, 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 23

You, my friend, are so far off that I almost want to laugh. How much evidence are you going to need before you accept the facts? Could you please explain to me how you can connect "aliens running the show" to hard evidence that the White House was behind 9/11, something that would not at all be anything new in history? If you did your homework, you'd know that there are many cases in history where Governments terrorize their own population to create war-mongering. In fact, it is the normal standard behind any democracy going to war.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:02 pm

Controlled demolition my ass.

The towers collapsed because of a simple flaw in the engineering of the time.
The fireproof covering on the connecting struts that hold up a floating floor does not actually protect them from the direct heat of an explosion and fire. The towers collapsed not in a controlled demolition, if that had been the case, they would have collapsed from the bottom up.

It should be noted that worldwide building standards took a universal downturn in the 1950`s continuing throughout the 60`s and 70`s. Many buildings of this period were of a substandard quality, suseptible to `Concrete Cancer` and internal core metal fatigue. It has been seen in Great Britain, particularly Glasgow where large areas of high rise accomodation buildings have been demolished for these reasons, as well as many other concrete monstrosities of the time. It seems that construction and architectural standards have dropped away, and may only now be experiencing a revival.

Your claim that I know nothing of the truth is bull. I spend 6 years in the Armed forces as a construction and demolitions engineer (A sapper in short). I know how demolitions work, I have personally been involved in the controlled explosive demolition of over 40 military sites including large scale aircraft hangars, accomodation towers and blocks, as well as the construction of many more.

It would not have needed any direct impact to demolish the surrounding units of the trade centre, vibration and tremor from the collapse of the towers themselves would have been enough to do that. It is actually surprising that more surrounding buildings were not brought down in the same way, as the stress released when those towers came down on the surrounding areas would have been enormous.

Your information on the method of collapse is also flawed, that is not how you demolish a building. Any building can be demolished with a single charge of explosive in the correct place, i.e. the buildings centre of gravity.

The trade centre towers themselves were constructed differently. They were actually built around a central supporting core. The outer walls were merely to enclose the floors, they didnt actually support the weight of the building.

The towers were constructed first with a central supporting core, from which the individual floors were dropped over and suspended onto a ballanced steel frame system, attached to the core. The outer cladding walls were then built up around the floors to enclose them. The central core was also where all of the stairwells and elavators were located. The actual floors of the building were open plan with simple drywall stud partitioning to separate it into individual rooms.

The initial explosion in each building from the exploding avgas blew most of the fireproofing, suspended ceilings, and drywall cladding away within the floors of impact leaving the underfloor steel support struts, stairwells and central support core building structure open to fire and heat.

When you introduce metal to heat, especially the heat of a burning building, metal fatigue is sped up to the point where decades of wear and tear can take place in minutes, i.e. the support struts aged a lifetime in a few hours, until they could no longer take the weight of the concrete slab floor.

When the support struts went, the concrete floating slab floors they were supporting collapsed down one on top of the other sandwiching downward in an ever escalating cascade of concrete that gained weight and momentum as it collapsed.

If you watch the films of the collapse, you will notice in one of the towers that the supporting central core of the building was briefly still standing as the floors gave way around it, you see it remaining in the centre as the outer building sinks downward.

If the building had been brought down in a controlled implosion, the explosive charges would need to have been placed on the central core of each building, shaped to explode into the core with an equal distribution of force in order to bring it down in a strait line.

Due to the great height of these buildings, it is highly unlikely that any kind of a controlled implosive demolition would have taken place in this way as the possibility of the towers toppling sidewards would have been too great.

But i suppose the conspirators could have planted explosives inside the floors directly on the struts supporting the concrete floating floors.

Perhaps there are survivors who would have witnessed the large scale interior ripout, explosives installation and reclad and decorate of the offices on the impact floors.

It is worth noting that the method used in construction of the towers was a new design, which was developed to allow a large scale, large height construction to take place in as short a time period as possible. They were a marvel of engineering. Unfortunately, although the buildings were meant to withstand the impact of an aircraft, there was no way that they could actually test that theory until someone actually did it. They were wrong. This method of building has not been widely used since, but then the towers were unique.

I did get to have the oportunity to visit the towers while on holiday back in 1988. The view from the observation deck was unbelievable, as were the towers.

I do not deny that conspiracies happen. I also know that many government throughout history have used their power to have control over their populations, i also know that these goverments can be brought down by conspiracies.

Christ, America sent its people to war in Vietnam for a decade, not because it was the right thing to do but because indirectly, they wanted to fight communism, thus the USSR.

I know very well that war is popular and generates business, and I also believe that the war in Iraq was fought for entirely illegal reasons. The outcome of no weapoms of mass distruction (That was a joke, any military man who had served in that country during the first gulf war could have told either the uk or us government that there were no weapons left, we destroyed them then, and then established sanctions that never allowed the country to recover to a point where it could become a dangerous military nation again. this was proved in the second gulf war where the country collapsed with minimum resistance)

I just dont believe any so called evidence that is not public domain, and acknowledged universally as the truth. Conspiracy theories to me remain unproven until proven. The evidence you have given me, which I have read, does not prove to me that there was a conspiracy, it merely prooves that you have seen documents that say there is a conspiracy, and the film clip of the collapse merely shows a building collapsing as I have described above.

I do not discount the fact that the war on terror may be manufactured, but i have seen no evidence to suggest that it has.

Were the video web broadcasts by Al Qaida faked also, and the live web broadcast beheadings of foreign kidnapees in Iraq? These things would also need to be fake in order to maintain the conspiracy of fear.

My comments on aliens etc are not my view, these are examples of views that I have been confronted with in the past when taking an interest in this subject matter. I have come accross some real nut cases in my time when looking into stuff like this, but I have also found some pretty convincing stuff.

For example, I am of the belief that the moon landings may have been faked as part of the cold war. I have seen convincing evidence of faked photgraphs etc. So I dont just not believe in the ways and means of a powerful nation.

You make a remark about Hitler. Hitler is a well documented case, the evidence of Hitlers Evil speaks for itself, as I have seen when I have visited places like sachsenhausen concentration camp where thousands upon thousands died near Berlin, and various other attrocity sites such as the headquarters of the SS, which are open reminders of what he did to the world.

I do however feel that your own arguments are entirely one sided, and based on non legitimate circumstantial evidence. You are not interested in allowing anyone else to form an opinion of their own. I do not doubt that you have seen evidence to suggest that there is something to believe in, but I have also seen evidence to suggest that there was no conspiracy. Whos evidence would be correct? Who will we believe?

Who Knows. Maybe the truth will come out when we are all dead.

All I know, is that I do not live in fear, I do not like my governement, but that is for political reasons over more domestic issues such as petrol prices and back door taxation.

President Bush can do what he likes as far as I am concerned, I have seen bad things about him, but also good things. Regardless of which, he will be gone within four years anyway, and America will have chosen a new president, hopefully one that wins without scandal.

Anyway, lets not get nasty or unsulting over this, its only a debate, albeit a very interesting one.

Dagon.

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:37 am

man thats the longest post i've ever seen

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:50 am

Yep

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:55 am

I was bored.

Evil or Very Mad

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:15 am

Made for good reading Very Happy

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:10 am

Too bad you only got 15 points for it.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:17 pm

what do you mean?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:00 pm

<---------------,the points you earn for posts,i guess maisie was implying maybes you should of got more points for you grandr post,in a humerous manner,now the jokes ruined,well done Wink

j/k

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:41 pm

Well - if you're a fatalist - everything happens for a reason and we are all puppets of our own destiny.
What if there is no good or bad, just a never ending stream of consequences and reactions to an action lost somewhere in the mists of time - kind of like Kurt Cobain being a necessary step in the devlopment of the Foo Fighters. Either way - have a coke and a smile and watch the hole thing fall apart around us safe in the knowledge that Bill Hicks was right and unless you can think quantum - none of it is ever really going to make any sense - meantime - turn on the radio and listen to someone who reckons the whole world really does revolve around them! Laughing

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