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Gigdoggy
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:45 pm |
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Just let it all out on this one. |
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gorgatron
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:06 am |
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| Gigdoggy wrote: | | Just let it all out on this one. |
not sure if it's always an 'instrumentalist.' singers can be a moody lot. i think the most vain and pompous person in the group is usually the singer, especially, if they thing their lyrics are good and they have something to say. most of the time, guys who are just singers in a band, and that's all they do, annoy me. i usually find that they don't really add too much to a band. but that's an opinion i know is not shared by many. they think singers add a bunch of character. at that point, and with such singers, the music really just becomes a vehicle for that singer's stage persona and become just a backing back. i think that's when singers become even more annoying.
guitarists are often competitive. they can be the most contentious. often conflicts erupt between the guitarist and singer or the guitarist and drummer, and the latter can sometimes be the wildest of the bunch. i've noticed that drummers often party really, really hard. (keith moon...john bonham,,,anyone??? ) but guitarists are often difficult as well because they are more strong headed about writing the material. since much of a song revolves around what they do, there is a sense that they do more in the band. a lot of band split-ups revolve around the guitarist.
bassists are usually pretty laid back, responsible people. maybe not the most punctual, as they experience their own realm of space-time, but generally solid people. as a guitarist, i tend to get along better with bassists. i've been fortunate to not have had to experience much crap from other guitarists in other bands due to the music i play.
the there's not a lot of strong tension in the small local music scene i play in. a few of the rock bands have a thing going, but it mainly came from one side. i guess i'd have to say guitarists when talking about bands, but when talking about bands that are really just vehicles for singers, then most definitely the singer. and when the singer is the only person...it goes without saying.
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gunner
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:07 pm |
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guitarists are often competitive as stated by Gorgatron!!
how dare you....???....lmaooooo
just kidding bro...
Instrumentalists are not annoying...musicians are!! |
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smili
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:45 pm |
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I think one of the hardest things to learn is to "serve the song". It's not just your individual part, and what you want to play, but how it fits in the context of the song.
and no matter what - everybody can't be louder than everybody else.  |
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FaceFitz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:02 am |
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i find its always everyone else in a group thats most annoying, they never do things right, and theres always problems with organizing things when i want them done and playing the bits of tunes like i tell them to!!! they suck, all of em... wait, does that mean im the most annoying...
thats a joke btw, im not a controlling nut job really..  |
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Gigdoggy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:35 pm |
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haha ok
I see everyone's got issues here. I would go with guitarists as well. The leads
just cant stop soloing. Cant stand it when they think we're all getting shivers down our spine! The beauty of a solo comes with structure or it's just a self contained mess of notes that only helps to feed the guitarist's ego.
mruff !
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infusician
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:01 pm |
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I would say it's the instrumentalist that doesn't practice before rehearsal. Yeah, yeah, the group rehearsal is practicing, but, sheesh, you got to come prepared! If it were a jazz band and we were improvising all the time, well, then that's a different story... |
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PPB
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:39 pm |
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the most annoying instrumentalist is the one than play the music like a flawless sequencer because never 100% digital matrix only sequenced stuff gave me warm in the hearth...you all knows i'm a bit qualified in the pratice of 100% binary music and only do this stuff but lots of accoustic or electic guitar songs gave me faith into music...i'm not a robot i'm a borg...resistance is fructile (seen this sentence somewhere in the net and thought most of the humourist are more close of reality than a lot of borring polician that passed their days learning very complex things but never have really experienced it emotionnaly)
not thinking all politicians are borring, politic is not borring music is politic and behind this there are peoples that are what they are.... |
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gorgatron
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:24 pm |
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| infusician wrote: | | I would say it's the instrumentalist that doesn't practice before rehearsal. Yeah, yeah, the group rehearsal is practicing, but, sheesh, you got to come prepared! If it were a jazz band and we were improvising all the time, well, then that's a different story... |
amen!!! i recently joined a rock band and the other guys in the band don't seem to practice much, and the band only meets once a week, but not consistently. makes it hard for me. i have a CD. for Sylvan Lane, we practice 2-3 times a week (prefer 3, but 2 is easier on my life lol). i practice guitar or piano every day for at least an hour. shame i'm not better, but i'm trying by god! i don't think i'll too far with the new project because of their approach. they get shows, and as a rock band, get them easily and get paid. the hard-working acoustic band that plays instrumentals can only dream to attract that many people. it will take years. but yeah, practice is absolutely key!!! you can always tell when bands haven't practiced, too. a wrong chord, note, missed beat, dragging, missed cue, and on and on. just little things that the average listener doesn't pick up but if you can count and play a tonal instrument, you pick this stuff out. we practice a lot and i can still pick it out. glad you mentioned this one. sorry that i have some much to say. it was well overdone.  |
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gorgatron
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:40 pm |
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| Gigdoggy wrote: | haha ok
I see everyone's got issues here. I would go with guitarists as well. The leads
just cant stop soloing. Cant stand it when they think we're all getting shivers down our spine! The beauty of a solo comes with structure or it's just a self contained mess of notes that only helps to feed the guitarist's ego.
mruff !
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whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! none of us said that the guitarists were the most annoying! most of us are guitarists! our music is all instrumental, so someone is practically soloing nonstop. more melody, but nevertheless. we're competitive for sure, but soloing and the guitar is the absolute most important part of any song.
as a guitarist and a self-made musicologist, it's my unqualified opinion that if a song doesn't have electric guitar throughout, preferably as the main instrument with many solos as you can jam in (no pun intended, or was there?), then it can barely be classified as music. this leaves only about 34 hip hop tunes that can be classified as music, the most famous of these 'Fight for Your Right to Party' by the Beastie Boys w/ Slayer.
o think this hip hop fad that all the kids are so crazy about today will pass in a few years and people will want to get back to their mullets and 15 min Satriani solos, while sitting on their couches watching MTV while eating a bag of ranch flavored Doritos(tm).
now who said guitarists were annoying!?!?!? hahaha! yeah man, i agree with you the most. they're the bossiest, next to the singer front-man, or equal to; they are often the most arrogant - also rivaled by the singer/front-man; often the worst drunks, except for maybe the drummer; they are often moody and sometimes violent - here any of the other members could rival; but the guitarist is often a combination of the traits listed and much more. i've noticed that usually the most standoffish to hostile person in the group is the guitarist. and they don't like criticism.
not all of us are like that, though. many of us play well with other kids.  |
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PPB
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:43 pm |
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i fallow your gorgatron, i choosen to not pass my time praticing playing music because i know the time it needs to play something at least correctly...i'm lasy and it's not my cup of tea because i prefer to compose and produce...you do both...but remember i promised you biological music lol |
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Gigdoggy
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:26 pm |
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Ok ok you got me. Im a guitarist too you know. I didn't intend to be that serious, i just came out that way. I mean most of my friends are musicians and most of them are guitarist, and its just that to make them understand that passing the solo to someone else is helpful not only for the jam itself but for the communication between the musicians. And that aint always easy. |
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PPB
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:51 pm |
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you make a sacrifice beeing in a band, and as you are part of it it's normal you want and deserve to have your word to say about what do with what the band should work or play...a community with no love isn't very interesting isn't it ? as i write just few hours to lodato love is a lot of things but for the problem of what we are speaking, love is a sacrifice...i choosed to make collabs with other artists but like you i more strongly believe in my perosnal creations cause there i got more faith because if people love it, i'm the only one who deserve this love...but if you love the peoples beeing in your band you will never be deceived making this sacrifice, unless you are making a paid band activity, i'm sure you will just go away from the band...this is why i do a bit like you...i only make collabs with people i got more than respcet ,good feelings...if the person i'm making a collab please me a lot, i will just do the best i can for him, we don't like to deceive peoples we love...so never a collab i did with peoples i had good feelings was a flop, most of the time i enjoy it more than my personal records and even if i said i'm more proud of my very own compo when i have a good feeback, some of my best enjoyed track are collabs...watch in the house charts to "ppb feat jack the dj - cyber people" my very best track according me...jack the dj weren't able to do it fruity as much than what it just became with my work.I wouldn't have made a such good track without him, and the inverse is true according i really love more my version of this track, i processed it, and added instruments, and i just know none of them is making the track more confuse or messed, total addition of a guy of 22 making 80's synth pop and myself doing the most futuristic music know yet if we don't consider experimental music is futuristic...let push to the extrem, experimental music will give birth to a totally new and enjoyed genre of music or it's just a track people classifyed experimental because they don't want to admit it's a missed track they don't want to delete from their page , if they really enjoy listening their experimental track and are alone to do, i a relativ meaning they made hit music and who knows he in 100 years this record is the best seller of the planet because the artist had idea and feeling that are 100 years in advance ago 2008...we all knows artist devoted their life for a music they had only bad feedback and that make money to labels selling it now...mozart himself died without a tomb...his body have been set 6 feet under with all the people that hadn't couldn't afford to pay to have a tomb...wolfgang amadeus mozart...amadeus mean "loved by the gods" in antic latin (romans)...this is not a fable but something everybody can verify in a dictionnary...because for my the legend i imagine god don't given mozart tomb because he's just immortal now...as long humanity will exist even if someone do better music one day but in my opinion this would only happens when like js back did when i invented the music notes range and tune of keys we didn't changed yet in 2008...(count on me to make some alien range and keys transcendantal psytrance)  |
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